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Maya Rkell
Forsaken Empire
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Posted - 2006.09.13 22:35:00 -
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"so, think many can agree that macro miners are a problem."
An absolutely tiny one in Eve, which is NOT worth placing silly restrictions on new players for, since that simply canabalises the future of Eve.
However, for reasons unrelated to this I agree with you - when faction war comes in, this should be exactly what happens. Not wardeccable, but killable by the faction enemies.
lofty29, skills which people quite reasonably expect to be using in their FIRST WEEK, it's quite unreasonable to expect players to leave the newbcorp to train. This is known as "eating your children"...
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Maya Rkell
Forsaken Empire
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Posted - 2006.09.13 22:51:00 -
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 Originally by: LUGAL MOP'N'GLO
Originally by: Maya Rkell
lofty29, skills which people quite reasonably expect to be using in their FIRST WEEK, it's quite unreasonable to expect players to leave the newbcorp to train. This is known as "eating your children"...
No industrials, no mining barges... That's it.
Whispers: "Me thinks Maya has 'people working' for her"
Want to take it to a higher authority? PLEASE do. And let me know how hard you get laughed at.
Industrials ARE something a player would reasonably expect to use within the week.
//Maya |
Maya Rkell
Forsaken Empire
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Posted - 2006.09.13 23:20:00 -
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New concept for LUGAL MOP'N'GLO: THings you can get instantly perma-banned over arn't funny.
None of those are checks and balances, so you make the macro'ers spend the peny-cahs of 1.5 mil for each cgaracter to make a corp. Wow! All you do is punish perfectly legimate players. ALL.
"It wouldn't be foolproof, but it would deter."
Yes, it WOULD deter legitimate players from keeping on playing. As I said, the macrominers would be in 1-man corps.
And no, again, it's not funny. DON'T do it again. You're making a serious accusation.
//Maya |
Maya Rkell
Forsaken Empire
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Posted - 2006.09.13 23:41:00 -
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Esaka, they are a problem in L2. Yes. Which also has problems with IGE and Yantis.
The ebay market for Eve is unviable for the professional farmers, and IGE and Yantis don't touch Eve with a stick. The value of the Ebay market for Eve is a fraction of the value of that for games far smaller.
"I've seen macro-miners and i've also seen bots that run missions in eve, it's "
Proof plz.
Gonada, CCP *have* done something. Something which SMASHED the value of the Eve ebay market by over fifteen times, while causing NO in-game inflation. This is a unique and powerful blow against the macrominers. What is that blow? Allowing ETC sales for ISK.
Your witch hunt and hatred for newer players is unjustified.
//Maya |
Maya Rkell
Forsaken Empire
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Posted - 2006.09.14 00:35:00 -
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Fine Esaka, and you petitioned them? Because if you did...and they're still arround... guess what? You were wrong. CCP is the arbitrator of this, NOT you.
Gretchen's right.
//Maya |
Maya Rkell
Forsaken Empire
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Posted - 2006.09.14 00:51:00 -
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You're making an assumption which you are not entitled to make. You can petition them. That's as far as you can go.
//Maya |
Maya Rkell
Forsaken Empire
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Posted - 2006.09.14 00:56:00 -
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Gonada, from people you SUSPECTED of being macro miners. And you petitioned the same group 4 times? I'd like to see you banned for abuse of the system, bluntly.
If you think CCP need to be more pro-active, that's ENTIRELY different to the anti-newbie, ineffective poisen pills being pushed in this thread, AND you'll still not be the arbitrator of who is and isn't a macrominer.
Esaka, you are not CCP. You're harrassing players, pure and simple. Not the smartest thing to admit.
//Maya |
Maya Rkell
Forsaken Empire
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Posted - 2006.09.14 01:49:00 -
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Edited by: Maya Rkell on 14/09/2006 01:49:10
Esaka, then it worked and they were macro'ers. Why precisely are you getting wound up?
Gonada,
Abuse of the petitioning system, petitioning the same group 4 times? HECK YES! That does nothing but waste GM time.
They cannot verify macro use in the same way you can verify a crude memory hack? Wow, that's...er...normal (Those crude memory and dupe hacks don't WORK on Eve, strangely enough...).
Again, you need to be addressing this to CCP, not the playerbase. To me, you're just another witch hunter else trying to assume the powers CCP rightly reserves for themselves. And you abuse petitions as well.
//Maya |
Maya Rkell
Forsaken Empire
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Posted - 2006.09.14 13:08:00 -
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Esaka... assumptions, assumptions, tables and chairs...
LUGAL MOP'N'GLO, tough. The poor "visual" editor and firefox disagree with each other and I ain't using IE. And what, 1 man corps what they shift from when you wardec. Wow... that'll do a lot. (Sure, dodging warcecs is banable. So's macro mining...)
Gonada, perfectly usual :) We all idealise games, and only a few really still work when you go back to them. For me, Total Annihilation, Freespace 2 and Planescape: Torment...
"and if so, wtf, every other game needs a cc"
Untrue, untrue. There are plenty of games which don't. Heck, Runescape is bigger than WoW in players and allows entirely free accounts. Further, ETC's can be used, other payment methods etc. - this is all for getting more players, as opposed to the tiny issue of the few diehard macrominers, sure ain't commercial these days. Dosn't make economic SENSE compared to other games.
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